Man, recast owners really are cheap-asses.
And who is actually surprised by this?
What gets me is… do you know what else you could get for $530? A MOTHERFUCKING LEGIT. Or two. Or three. Depending what the hell you went for.
Further proof of the zero fucks recast owners give about other people. I mean these assholes don’t even think the recasters they support should make the money they’re asking for. The irony is fucking painful.
I’m not surprised by this at all but not once did I think I’d actually feel bad for the recasters for having to deal with you selfish cheap asses.
"You guys are just rich elitists and we are so pooooooor, we also deserve pretty dolls! Oh, look, just spend 500 bucks for recasts".
Yeah. Sure. “Poor” my ass.
I’ve never in my life paid $500 for a doll. I just wait, and save, and work out what I can get as secondhand parts, and deal with it.
Individual recasts seem to cost up to about $300, ish, at maximum.
So this basically belies the idea of “Oh, I bought a recast because I needed that ONE LIMITED DOLL, they forced my hand really” it’s “I wanted a huge collection FAST so bought an armful of them”.
This is all assuming money is the main motivation for buying a recast.
Because money is one of the major excuses used.
"I’m so poor and deserve to be in the hobby, that’s why I got a recast"
"Doll XY is so expensive but I wanted it anyway"
"I don’t want to pay so much for a doll"
"I don’t want to pay so much on the second-hand market"
"Anti-Recast people are rich bitches who can afford legit dolls but I can’t so fuck you"
A lot of the excuses are money based. You get the occasional “Doll doesn’t exist in that color” or “Doll is super limited and never for sale” (which also just boils down to money again, because the limiteds that REALLY don’t come up for sale are not the ones recasted, like Bermann, people just refuse to pay the normal price for a Williams and the like) but most of the excuses come down to money.
And if you can shell out several hundred bucks for recasts you can buy a legit too.
A lot of the recasts are equally or sometimes as expensive as a legit doll.
The problem is often not the money, people just want MORE for their money and they don’t want A doll but they want THIS super limited doll and they want it now and for cheap.
So while it might not be the main motivation it’s usually the preferred excuse.
Of course the main motivation is “I want that shit and fuck everything else”, but the majority of recast owners and buyers don’t want to admit this.
Let me start off by saying this:
It’s pretty lame to take a screenshot of a post rather than replying to that post directly. It’s a way to avoid backlash against what you’re saying and I think that’s pretty low.
I was in the original image, if you can’t tell by my name. I really enjoy how everyone is assuming that the $530 is for a single doll, as well.
I know that I have personally bought well over 530 in a single order. I usually buy an “armful” of recasts (I.E. Minifee, since they are popular) and then sell the ones that I don’t want. It covers the shipping cost from China. Hell, sometimes it covers the cost of my doll. I usually send free clothes and a faux fur wig with the dolls I sell, so people get a better deal. There are NEVER enough dolls to cover the demand for them, so there is always a market. Many people don’t want to buy from Luo or through Taobao and wait 3~4 weeks for shipping. I don’t mind the risks or the wait.
I can get a Minifee for $89 dollars without shipping. It includes a set of hands, both sets of feet, resin heeled shoes, and the head. Sometimes I can talk Luo into giving me a “free tan” or “extra hands please”, sometimes I can get them to take off a discount.I always enjoy how people see being “cheap” as a negative in life. Are you saying that people who only buy dolls during sales are cheap? Are you saying that the people who wait for clearance events, holiday events and “buy one get one” events are cheap, and bad? Because that’s the way it’s coming across- that anyone who doesn’t pay “Full Price” for something is somehow inferior.
Do you know what else you could get for $530? A lot of things. You could buy 2 months worth of groceries (for my household, anyway). You could buy a new laptop computer. You could buy a new flat screen TV. You could invest it and make an easy 2% annual profit for the rest of your life. Don’t hate on people who spend their money on what they want, no matter the amount. It’s not really your business if they are buying a flat screen tv, groceries, legit or recast dolls.
It’s kind of funny because when I say to my (non-doll) friends that I’ve finished paying off $300 of my $450 dollar doll, they all seem shocked because it’s a crazy high amount. When I try to explain to them the difference between recasts and legits and why recast owners get hated on so much, they usually laugh and side with the recasts.
Also, just because someone is spending money doesn’t mean they are poor. That’s a very classist thing to say and you should really reevaluate saying something like that in public.
A lot of recast owners have legit dolls. They avoid tying the two together (mainly) because it’s against DoA’s rules and there are people who will “tattle” on you about it. Recasts and Legits are treated as separate hobbies (in my experience as well, owning legit and recast at the same time). For the most part, your legits are part of one community, your recasts are part of the other. Money is not always a motivating factor and to say such is avoiding the real situation and perpetuating a myth. Many recast owners buy a recast as their first doll, or as an “experiment” doll, a modding doll, a model doll, a doll to see if they will like the legit they are planning on buying or to use as a “placeholder” until their legit arrives. I would not say “money is the main excuse for recast owners”, but I would rephrase that to “money is the main excuse anti-recast people think recast owners use”. Double that with the fact that anti-recast people choose to blow up a “try to negotiate a lower price” post with “lol i thought you guys were poor what are you doing buying $XX in dolls?” and it becomes a little more obvious.
And let’s also say this: Recasts do not have as strong of a value as a legit. Recasts are easy to get, easy to sell, easy to own. There is no secure market value. Recasts never go up in price, since they are always available new. Half the time, it’s cheaper to go through a recaster than to buy on the secondhand market. Scratch that, most of the time it’s cheaper. You will almost ALWAYS lose money on selling a recast, since Luo offers shipping included in the price of the doll and when you sell it, you’re going to try to recoup that cost, raising your price to around $30 more than Luo’s. (Exception: If you buy from Taobao through an agent, like I do, then the cost is lower. $95 vs $130 dollars and you don’t tend to lose as much if at all). So the question becomes this: Why would I invest in a recast like I would in a legit? You *have* to be cheaper when you buy a recast because they do not have value like a legit does.
To end this post as I always do with my recast-related posts: It’s none of your business what other people do. Why do you care so much? Why is it so important to you if someone else is “cheap”, besides making you feel better about yourself for *not* being cheap? I think the majority of the issues in this (and many recast posts) are that anti-recast people don’t really KNOW anything about recast owners or recasting and they are ASSUMING, based on their own stereotypes of a recast owner and the recast hobby. And we all know what happens when you assume, don’t we?
Melty, everyone already knows you’re a massive twat and I’m positive this has been explained to you before, but
WE CARE BECAUSE RECASTS FUCK UP THE ARTISTS’ BUSINESS AND CAN (AND HAVE) MAKE THEM GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
WE CARE ABOUT THE ARTISTS.
It’s not about you being a cheap piece of crap (which you are) it’s about the fact that you are directly funding fucking someone over and that’s super not cool.
But you don’t give a shit about that, and none of the other pro-recast crowd do, because you’re so massively self-centered. I get that. I’m not even gonna bother trying to change your mind because I already know that you lack the empathy to give a shit about other people.
You are right, it wasn’t cool to take the screenshot, I am going to be honest, I was planing to submit it to the recast confession blog, but then I thought the better of it since I don’t really like going on anon, so I just posted it to my own blog, a lapse of judgement, I really don’t have a good excuse for not going back and reblogging the post other then wanting it to be an image that people can easily see since tumblr often distorts text when a post gets a lot of replies.
Anyway, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to save money, but to me at least the title Cheapass comes with some extra baggage.
Cheap asses are people that will do anything to save money.
Cheap asses are people that will worm their way out of paying for a joint expanse
Cheap asses are the people that will hold back a group because they are not willing to spend money on a shared experience
Cheapa sses are the people that don’t leave tip.
Cheap asses are the people that will insist on paying you under the table for work so they can retract the money you’d normally pay as tax so that they save money.
In my mid Cheap ass is so much more then someone that wants to save money, that’s why I use it as an insult.
And I don’t think anyone thought you were buying one recast, the thing a lot of us reacted to was that you are quite obviously buying in bulk while recast owner’s first defense always seem to be “Oh we are so poor you just don’t want us to be in the hobby” It just shows that you have no self restraint and are basically just greedy.
Your none doll friends might side with you, but I hardly think that’s a great argument, it just shows that they, like you, are victim to the sickening entitlement culture that is so present in our society, everyone wants to have entertainment and name-brand garments, but no one thinks they should be expected to re compensate the people that make these things, it is sickening.
You asked why we care:
As whatthefuckrecasts already has said, we fucking care about the people that makes this hobby possible.
I won’t say more about the artists since whatthefuckrecasts already covered that, but I will point out that even if you don’t care about the artists, which most of us do, recasts does directly affect us too. I am of course talking about the secondary market. First of all there’s the mistrust, even on the supposedly legit market places people are still afraid of purchasing used dolls in the fear of getting a recast, recast companies even replicate certificates so don’t try to pull the “no recast owners are out to scam and lie” bullshit. Secondly, the availablity of recast severely drives down the value of legit dolls, especially but not limited to limited and out of production dolls. There’s a few exceptions, but usually limited dolls are sold for a lot less then new price, I personally have sold dolls for almost half price because asking fair price for them will make them sit on the marketplace for ages.
So don’t try to paint us as elitist bitches that wants to control how people use their money for the shits and giggles of it because it does effect us and it does ruin a hobby that (for me at least) should be a celebration of art and creativity.
Meltyvolks’ post is a grand example of a recast supporter missing the point.
And jesus christ - You buy the full armful then sell most of them on? You’re actually importing counterfeit goods for sale.
Do you think Da Vinci wanted his Mona Lisa painting re-printed on mugs/cards/etc and have others make money off his work? No. But people do it and they don’t get in trouble for it. There is only one Mona Lisa and there are thousands of sellers making money off of the reproduction of it. Hundreds or dozens of limited dolls are casted and sold and people make a fuss about it. The people are happy to settle with the reproduced artworks of Da Vinci, so let recast buyers have their own happiness!!
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I usually try to stay out of this Tumblr, but that is most likely the dumbest pro-recast argument I’ve heard in a while.
Da Vinci is fucking dead. As in, really fucking dead for several hundred years now. Even if he would care, nobody knows because he’s dead.
Comparing the rights of a dead artist to the ones of a living one which needs to live from the fucking sales just so you can justify your recast buying is just…well, stupid as fuck.
There were also already replicas of his picture while he was still alive, in some cases painted by his own students.
Also, to cite Wikipedia:
”Mona Lisa is considered public domain and free to be exploited, explaining its reproduction on everything from postcards to coffee mugs, with no legal repercussions.”
That would cover the part about how she is allowed as base for new creations.
The painting itself is property of France.
You really can’t compare this. Seriously, stop coming up with bullshit excuses and just admit you don’t want to save and just want everything for cheap.
omfffffg. i wouldn’t be so annoyed with recast owners if they just skip all these bullshit excuses/reasons and just admit they went for recasts cause they’re cheap.